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Kenny's scenario is an example of situation where a Tormek owner really needs to spend some time with someone in "tech support".

While I don't dismiss the idea out of hand, I think it much more likely that you would find this training available from the dealers rather than Tormek itself.  For example Woodcraft carries the Tormek line in their stores along with grindstones and probably some other supplies and jigs.  They conduct workshops in various wood crafting skills as a promotion.  They may be able to carry out these workshops on site with some support from Tormek.  It's a good idea worth pursuing.

Craftsmen need to keep their tools sharp!

Then you will end up with the woodcraft two step.
I went to a sharpening class, after I bought my Tormek, but was going to by the jigs I was missing from them.  It SPECIFICALLY mentioned being taught on a Tormek, and they never even came close to that (was more of a things need to be sharp and here are our bench stones lecture).
I didn't buy anything from them and ended up getting it from Jeff.

In the old days, (DeWalt radial arm saw comes to mind) companies used to teach things.  Now, they are worried about liability if they teach a bad habit, etc.
General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by Rob on Today at 03:50:12 pm »
I've just chatted to Kenny on the phone en route from school to home. Hopefully we'll have a dialogue later and see if we can punch through some of the variables.
General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by RobinW on Today at 03:21:32 pm »
"As I pointed out in my previous post, when I did as Jeff advised and ran the truing tool across the surface I got a gap at the outer edge of the stone when I put my 2" square against it."

I would suggest this is the first issue to be resolved. After using the truing tool, the surface of the wheel should be parallel to the usb. Ignore the side of the wheel and using a square against a side which you cannot guarantee, and plays no part in the sharpening process.

Do not apply any offset pressure to the usb when setting the height for the truing tool.

I feel that you are moving from one issue to another and certainly gets me confused.

Resolve the above fundamental requirement. Until that is resolved you'll be chasing your tail with no fixed reference.

General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by Rob on Today at 02:59:21 pm »
Kenny.  I've texted you my contact details.  By all means call me if you like.  Cheers.  R
General Tormek Questions / Re: Free grinding wheel
« Last post by Tormek moderator on Today at 02:58:15 pm »
If you're in the United States, you need to contact Affinity Tools. Their contact details are linked from the Tormek main page.
General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by Tormek moderator on Today at 02:53:52 pm »
In the photos, you're assuming the old bevels are perfect, and it appears to me they are not.

If you try to correct a .006 deviation by torquing the Universal Support, you will undoubtedly waste time and effort and cause yourself a great deal of frustration. That amount of deviation can be corrected by moving your thumb from the middle to the long point edge.

You are going to have to give up on the idea that every component is in perfect alignment and the tool comes out perfectly. You are dealing with an abrasive. The cutting action will change as the stone is used. It is not, nor will ever be, completely uniform in cut across the surface or through it's depth.

Quit worrying about getting the stone out of true with the stone grader. The stone grader is an absolutely essential piece of the puzzle. I promise you, if you rely on finger pressure and leaving the short point off the stone, checking the results while working, you can create a perfectly square edge on a grindstone that is badly out of alignment with the Universal Support. I have done it thousands and thousands of times. I'm not condoning leaving your stone in such a condition, just pointing out that perfect alignment does not guarantee success, but misalignment doesn't preclude it.

possibly, yes.  I don't have a home workshop at present, so it's weather dependent as I'll have to use the patio! 
General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by kennyk on Today at 02:42:38 pm »
Didn't realise you were in Scotland.  One thing that occurs to me.  Why do you need the whole bevel ground?  If your students are just paring mostly then could you not get away with a (say) 1 mm microbevel at a higher grind than the existing bevel (say 30 degrees)?

Then you would have significantly less grinding to do (I'm not a fan of grinding entire bevels with the Tormek), the edge would still be sharp and more hand controllable to keep straight.

But coming back to the original issue, are you saying you're unable to get the usb to be parallel to the wheel even after you've trued it with the diamond dresser, even by applying judicious pressure on the usb legs at tightening time?

Because if you cant do that then there must surely be something wrong with the usb threads or the inserts into which they're threaded?

All of the chisels I've been working on have been ground at random angles, and all have badly convex edges.  The previous tech used a worn oilstone as well which didn't help either.   I'm trying to get them all uniform, as I feel it's fairest on all the kids that have to use them that they get consistent chisels.

After truing, I measured the wheel edge using the side as the reference for my square.  I'd need to re-do it and check with the usb again to be 100% I'm not giving misinformation.

the threaded leg is at 90% to the bar, and the bar itself seems straight too.

Is it possible that the truing tool itself is out of alignment?

Just to clarify, I wasn't using the stone grader  directly after truing.  it was when I checked the stone with a square later on (after a few gradings) that I discovered the convex surface.
ah need to do this during working hours because that's where the Tormek is?  Cant you just take it home in the evening?
General Tormek Questions / Re: 1/4" Bevel Edge Chisels
« Last post by Rob on Today at 02:38:22 pm »
by the way pm me your batphone number if you want to talk this through.  I'm going to Jersey tomorrow so wont be able to help after tonight. 
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