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Title: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 02:58:18 pm
Hey Folks,

With a little luck, my Tormek T8 with the Wood Turners kit will arrive on Friday the 13th.  I'm hoping this is not a bad omen.  :P

I've been sharpening by hand with stones and leathers for about 40 years. For the past 10 or so years, I've sort of become the guy in the hood that'll sharpen just about anything.

A few weeks ago, I was invited to become the sharpening vendor at a local Farmers Market and I knew that I had to speed up my sharpening process.
It's one thing to have someone drop of 5 or 6 knives and be willing to pick them up a few days later.  It's a whole different creature if they are expecting to get them back within 30 minutes or so.

After reading, researching, reading some more and finally pulling the trigger, I bought a T8. I've used other systems like the Tormek in the past with very favorable results. But I've never owned one nor have I been put on-stage and expected to produce results on the spot. Much like I expect to be at the Farmers Market.

Assuming my T8 arrives on Friday, I'll have exactly 6 weeks to become comfortable with the Tormek before the opening day of the market.

I'll be sharpening mostly knives but I also expect to get axes, scissors, chisels, carving tools, etc. All of which I've sharpened successfully before, by hand.
But as most of you know, doing all those by hand can be a VERY time consuming chore. Thus the need for something that will speed up the process and still yield the same, if not better results.

As I mentioned before, I've been reading and researching as well as watching all of the videos on how to set up and use the Tormek systems.
Thus far, none of it has been bewildering. Most of it seems like pretty much the same as what I've done in the past. I do not foresee there being too much of a learning curve and I expect (hope) that I'll be whipping out fresh sharp edges in short order.

From my understanding thus far, I should start out with some chisels.  I've got some REALLY cheap chisels as well as a number of high end chisels.  Of course, I'll start out with the cheap ones before trying my hand at the more expensive ones.  Once I get those hammered out, I'll consider sharpening my Grandfather's chisels.  Maybe... I have a great deal of respect for my Grandfather and I don't want to screw up his prized chisel set.   :-\

Then I'll start with my cheapo knives. The ones that have been banging around in a drawer somewhere. Most have not seen daylight in 10+ years. Again, once I feel good about those, I'll move up to my more expensive knives.

What I'd like to know from those with hands-on Tormek experience, is what surprises you encountered when you first started using your Tormek (or Tormek like devices).

I'll listen to anything and everything.  I'll sort out the useful bits and give them a try during the upcoming weeks.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: cbwx34 on April 11, 2018, 03:15:17 pm
Hey Folks,

With a little luck, my Tormek T8 with the Wood Turners kit will arrive on Friday the 13th.  I'm hoping this is not a bad omen.  :P

I've been sharpening by hand with stones and leathers for about 40 years. For the past 10 or so years, I've sort of become the guy in the hood that'll sharpen just about anything.

A few weeks ago, I was invited to become the sharpening vendor at a local Farmers Market and I knew that I had to speed up my sharpening process.
It's one thing to have someone drop of 5 or 6 knives and be willing to pick them up a few days later.  It's a whole different creature if they are expecting to get them back within 30 minutes or so.

After reading, researching, reading some more and finally pulling the trigger, I bought a T8. I've used other systems like the Tormek in the past with very favorable results. But I've never owned one nor have I been put on-stage and expected to produce results on the spot. Much like I expect to be at the Farmers Market.

Assuming my T8 arrives on Friday, I'll have exactly 6 weeks to become comfortable with the Tormek before the opening day of the market.

I'll be sharpening mostly knives but I also expect to get axes, scissors, chisels, carving tools, etc. All of which I've sharpened successfully before, by hand.
But as most of you know, doing all those by hand can be a VERY time consuming chore. Thus the need for something that will speed up the process and still yield the same, if not better results.

As I mentioned before, I've been reading and researching as well as watching all of the videos on how to set up and use the Tormek systems.
Thus far, none of it has been bewildering. Most of it seems like pretty much the same as what I've done in the past. I do not foresee there being too much of a learning curve and I expect (hope) that I'll be whipping out fresh sharp edges in short order.

From my understanding thus far, I should start out with some chisels.  I've got some REALLY cheap chisels as well as a number of high end chisels.  Of course, I'll start out with the cheap ones before trying my hand at the more expensive ones.  Once I get those hammered out, I'll consider sharpening my Grandfather's chisels.  Maybe... I have a great deal of respect for my Grandfather and I don't want to screw up his prized chisel set.   :-\

Then I'll start with my cheapo knives. The ones that have been banging around in a drawer somewhere. Most have not seen daylight in 10+ years. Again, once I feel good about those, I'll move up to my more expensive knives.

What I'd like to know from those with hands-on Tormek experience, is what surprises you encountered when you first started using your Tormek (or Tormek like devices).

I'll listen to anything and everything.  I'll sort out the useful bits and give them a try during the upcoming weeks.

Thanks in advance!

Welcome to the forum.

Forum member Steve Bottorff has run a successful knife sharpening business... and has quite a bit of info on the subject... you may want to visit his site (if you haven't already)...

http://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/

... and YT channel...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUy0dLEXa0nTMubaVUMAEKg

Good luck, and keep us posted on what you learn! :)
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 03:45:57 pm
Yeah, I've seen Steve's stuff and bookmarked his sites.

Loads of useful stuff there.  ;D
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 04:13:46 pm
Well...Perhaps I can disregard the bad omen...I just got notification that my T8 is on a truck and scheduled to arrive today.   :)
6 weeks and three days to get comfy using the new equipment.

Fingers crossed it'll workout half as well as I hope.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: SharpenADullWitt on April 11, 2018, 04:38:25 pm
I would also recommend Steve's book/course, and make a recommendation of hitting up thrift shops in your area (garage sales as well) for old knives/tools.  You could practice on them and then have them for sale, as a reminder for people to bring their stuff for sharpening.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 04:47:02 pm
I would also recommend Steve's book/course, and make a recommendation of hitting up thrift shops in your area (garage sales as well) for old knives/tools.  You could practice on them and then have them for sale, as a reminder for people to bring their stuff for sharpening.

Oh yeah. Once I've gathered up all the old knives and such that I've lost track of over the years, my booth may end up looking like a thrift shop instead of a sharpening booth.   ::)

I've got a few random butter knives that I'm going to dork around with as well.  If they sharpen up well, I'll have them out as displays.  "Taking a knife from butter knife dull to razor sharp"  Or something to that affect. 

I've been excited about the T8 arriving.  Now that I know it'll be here today, I feel like a kid on Christmas eve.

Too bad this silly full time job of mine is getting in the way of my fun.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Ken S on April 11, 2018, 05:06:13 pm
Welcome to the forum, Y Not.

I will include myself in the choir recommending Steve Bottorff. Steve is one of only three forum members I have met personally. Even though Steve had effectively retired from teaching, he walked me through his class. He has been my mentor and friend. I reviewed his Sharpening School video for the forum. It is excellent, essential training for sharpeners. Having both studied with him personally and watched the DVD many times, I can state that his DVD is like personal instruction with him. Steve is a veteran of many years in the trenches as a farmers market sharpener. His trainng is very practical.

His you tube channel has only a fraction of the DVD. I would not even think of starting a sharpening business before purchasing and intensely studying Steve's DVD (sharpeningmadeeasy.com).

My other suggestion is the first topic in the general tormek part of this forum, the tips and techniques. This started out as one longish post, but has grown too large. You need to become fluent with the Tormek fundemental skills, especially as a weekend warrior sharpener.

Keep us posted and do not be shy about asking questions; you are among friends.

Ken 
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: RichColvin on April 11, 2018, 05:22:57 pm
Tony,

I don't run a sharpening business, but if I did I would start with the following :

I'd like to know how this goes, and I think you should let us know what bumps you experience (i.e., let us learn from your mistakes).

Kind regards,
Rich
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Grizz on April 11, 2018, 05:37:11 pm
Hey Folks,

With a little luck, my Tormek T8 with the Wood Turners kit will arrive on Friday the 13th.  I'm hoping this is not a bad omen.  :P

I've been sharpening by hand with stones and leathers for about 40 years. For the past 10 or so years, I've sort of become the guy in the hood that'll sharpen just about anything.

A few weeks ago, I was invited to become the sharpening vendor at a local Farmers Market and I knew that I had to speed up my sharpening process.
It's one thing to have someone drop of 5 or 6 knives and be willing to pick them up a few days later.  It's a whole different creature if they are expecting to get them back within 30 minutes or so.

After reading, researching, reading some more and finally pulling the trigger, I bought a T8. I've used other systems like the Tormek in the past with very favorable results. But I've never owned one nor have I been put on-stage and expected to produce results on the spot. Much like I expect to be at the Farmers Market.

Assuming my T8 arrives on Friday, I'll have exactly 6 weeks to become comfortable with the Tormek before the opening day of the market.

I'll be sharpening mostly knives but I also expect to get axes, scissors, chisels, carving tools, etc. All of which I've sharpened successfully before, by hand.
But as most of you know, doing all those by hand can be a VERY time consuming chore. Thus the need for something that will speed up the process and still yield the same, if not better results.

As I mentioned before, I've been reading and researching as well as watching all of the videos on how to set up and use the Tormek systems.
Thus far, none of it has been bewildering. Most of it seems like pretty much the same as what I've done in the past. I do not foresee there being too much of a learning curve and I expect (hope) that I'll be whipping out fresh sharp edges in short order.

From my understanding thus far, I should start out with some chisels.  I've got some REALLY cheap chisels as well as a number of high end chisels.  Of course, I'll start out with the cheap ones before trying my hand at the more expensive ones.  Once I get those hammered out, I'll consider sharpening my Grandfather's chisels.  Maybe... I have a great deal of respect for my Grandfather and I don't want to screw up his prized chisel set.   :-\

Then I'll start with my cheapo knives. The ones that have been banging around in a drawer somewhere. Most have not seen daylight in 10+ years. Again, once I feel good about those, I'll move up to my more expensive knives.

What I'd like to know from those with hands-on Tormek experience, is what surprises you encountered when you first started using your Tormek (or Tormek like devices).

I'll listen to anything and everything.  I'll sort out the useful bits and give them a try during the upcoming weeks.

Thanks in advance!
one thing that is confusing me here, you say you ordered the T-8 with the wood turning kit. I believe the HTK-706 is the kit you will need for knife sharpening.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 05:54:35 pm
Hey Folks,

With a little luck, my Tormek T8 with the Wood Turners kit will arrive on Friday the 13th.  I'm hoping this is not a bad omen.  :P

I've been sharpening by hand with stones and leathers for about 40 years. For the past 10 or so years, I've sort of become the guy in the hood that'll sharpen just about anything.

A few weeks ago, I was invited to become the sharpening vendor at a local Farmers Market and I knew that I had to speed up my sharpening process.
It's one thing to have someone drop of 5 or 6 knives and be willing to pick them up a few days later.  It's a whole different creature if they are expecting to get them back within 30 minutes or so.

After reading, researching, reading some more and finally pulling the trigger, I bought a T8. I've used other systems like the Tormek in the past with very favorable results. But I've never owned one nor have I been put on-stage and expected to produce results on the spot. Much like I expect to be at the Farmers Market.

Assuming my T8 arrives on Friday, I'll have exactly 6 weeks to become comfortable with the Tormek before the opening day of the market.

I'll be sharpening mostly knives but I also expect to get axes, scissors, chisels, carving tools, etc. All of which I've sharpened successfully before, by hand.
But as most of you know, doing all those by hand can be a VERY time consuming chore. Thus the need for something that will speed up the process and still yield the same, if not better results.

As I mentioned before, I've been reading and researching as well as watching all of the videos on how to set up and use the Tormek systems.
Thus far, none of it has been bewildering. Most of it seems like pretty much the same as what I've done in the past. I do not foresee there being too much of a learning curve and I expect (hope) that I'll be whipping out fresh sharp edges in short order.

From my understanding thus far, I should start out with some chisels.  I've got some REALLY cheap chisels as well as a number of high end chisels.  Of course, I'll start out with the cheap ones before trying my hand at the more expensive ones.  Once I get those hammered out, I'll consider sharpening my Grandfather's chisels.  Maybe... I have a great deal of respect for my Grandfather and I don't want to screw up his prized chisel set.   :-\

Then I'll start with my cheapo knives. The ones that have been banging around in a drawer somewhere. Most have not seen daylight in 10+ years. Again, once I feel good about those, I'll move up to my more expensive knives.

What I'd like to know from those with hands-on Tormek experience, is what surprises you encountered when you first started using your Tormek (or Tormek like devices).

I'll listen to anything and everything.  I'll sort out the useful bits and give them a try during the upcoming weeks.

Thanks in advance!
one thing that is confusing me here, you say you ordered the T-8 with the wood turning kit. I believe the HTK-706 is the kit you will need for knife sharpening.

I can certainly see where the confusion is coming from.
While I was reading and researching this, the T8 with the hand tool kit was available. Then literally, the day I decided to go for it, it was no longer available. So I went with the next step up that had everything I needed for the Farmers Market and a whole lot that I might or might not find a need for.

I was getting desperate and needed to get my hands on the T8 as soon as I could.  So yeah, i wound up buying things that might never get used. On the bright side, once the package that I was looking at becomes available again, I can return the one I bought for the one that I need.

There's jigs in the wood turner's kit that, at a farmers market, I'll never ever use.  But...If during the course of the market someone asks, then sure.  In the long run, if sharpening odd ball things like that (odd in a Farmers Market sort of way) turns out to make enough to off set the difference in price, I might keep the one I bought.

We'll see.

Right now, I'm happy to be getting what I need and have time for us to get to know one another.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 05:58:12 pm
Tony,

I don't run a sharpening business, but if I did I would start with the following :
  • Jan has some great information on building a laser goniometer using something like the Erector set kid's toy.  A laser goniometer is a very worthwhile tool for understanding the angle on the blade when it comes to you.  Here's the link :  https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=3104.0
  • CB & Jan have also posted some great information about other approaches that can be used other than the standard knife jigs.  The knife jigs are certainly worthwhile for when exactness is needed;  but the platform approach may be quite worthwhile if you are sharpening something like peoples' pocket knives.  Here's the link to that :  https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=3329.msg19967#msg19967
  • There is some great information about honing using paper wheels.  I don't know how viable this would be for a Farmer's Market; I'll let others chime in on that, but I would consider it as it would quickly hone the knife to a really sharp edge, and the service would be remembered.
    • Steve Bottorf's site is http://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/paper.htm
    • Wootz also has some good information :  http://knifeGrinders.com.au, and https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=3507.msg22283#msg22283

I'd like to know how this goes, and I think you should let us know what bumps you experience (i.e., let us learn from your mistakes).

Kind regards,
Rich

Rich,

Thanks for the links and suggestions.  Some of those I know I've recently seen. Others, maybe not.  But I'll be sure to take them in over the next few days and weeks.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 06:10:32 pm
Welcome to the forum, Y Not.

I will include myself in the choir recommending Steve Bottorff. Steve is one of only three forum members I have met personally. Even though Steve had effectively retired from teaching, he walked me through his class. He has been my mentor and friend. I reviewed his Sharpening School video for the forum. It is excellent, essential training for sharpeners. Having both studied with him personally and watched the DVD many times, I can state that his DVD is like personal instruction with him. Steve is a veteran of many years in the trenches as a farmers market sharpener. His trainng is very practical.

His you tube channel has only a fraction of the DVD. I would not even think of starting a sharpening business before purchasing and intensely studying Steve's DVD (sharpeningmadeeasy.com).

My other suggestion is the first topic in the general tormek part of this forum, the tips and techniques. This started out as one longish post, but has grown too large. You need to become fluent with the Tormek fundemental skills, especially as a weekend warrior sharpener.

Keep us posted and do not be shy about asking questions; you are among friends.

Ken

Ken,

I've no doubt about Steve.  His sites were among the first that I landed upon and his insight is what pushed me over the edge and caused me to agree to the invite to the Farmers Market.  Steve's pages are a treasure trove of tips and suggestions as well as the price sheets (edited for my area and needs), the sheaths (never thought about), etc...

Again, Steve's page is a must have/go to for me.

I've been lurking on this forum for a few weeks.  I've read the tips and techniques string. Over and over again.  Like you said, it started as one long thread then turned into a monster.  But that's fine.  There are nuggets in there and I'll scoop them up.

I'm looking forward to becoming one with my Tormek. As luck would have it, I work from home and I've got to work 1 AM to 10 AM all next week. Normally, I hate working that shift.  Someone has to be on-shift but nothing ever happens and because it's not my normal shift, I find myself falling asleep.

Not next week.  ;) I'll be dorking with my Tormek all night, every night next week. :)

I'll keep ya'll posted as my progression continues.  It's sure to be a popcorn munching good time.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: cbwx34 on April 11, 2018, 06:30:29 pm
Since you've been sharpening for a "mere" 40 years... I find it hard to offer any advice... but maybe some questions that you've already thought of that might further the conversation (mostly thinking knives here... I'm guessing that's what you'll do the most?) ...
Just some "fuel for thought".  ;)
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 07:23:43 pm
Since you've been sharpening for a "mere" 40 years... I find it hard to offer any advice... but maybe some questions that you've already thought of that might further the conversation (mostly thinking knives here... I'm guessing that's what you'll do the most?) ...
  • Do you plan on sharpening freehand or using a jig or guide (or combo)?
  • Will the Tormek be your only device?  (Many sharpeners, especially at Farmer's Markets, seem to use a combination of devices for quicker sharpening).
  • Do you have a plan for repairs?  (Broken tips, recurves, reducing bolsters, seem to be the most common...).
Just some "fuel for thought".  ;)

Fuel for thought...Yeah, that's something that I need more of.  :)

Part of what's been keeping me awake is trying to think of all the off-the wall things I've been asked to do and how I've done them.
Broken tips, re-curves, bolsters, removing the squared edges from the backs (right near the handle), rounding heals, etc...

I'll be taking everything I've got.
Flat stones, files, belt sander, strops, wet/dry sand papers and anything else that I might need. So no, the Tormek will not be my only device.  As I think Ken said, it's a workhorse but it can't be the only horse in the stable. 

I need to be prepared for just about anything. In addition to being prepared to say no or I can't or won't do this or that. I'm not going to fake my way through anything.  If I'm presented with something that I've no idea how to sharpen, then I'll just have to say no.  I'm good with no.  Lord knows my wife has been telling me know for 30 years.

For the most part, I think I'll be using the jigs with the Tormek. It'll really depend on how it feels to me once I get it set up and start putting metal to stone.  Chances are, it'll wind up being a combo of jigs and freehand with the Tormek.

Thanks for the suggestions and please, keep them coming. I might be stupid enough to jump into adventure this but I'm not so stupid to think that I've thought about everything there is to think about.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Ken S on April 11, 2018, 07:45:16 pm
I think you have a good chance at success, if you stay focused and simple. Stick with basic knife sharpening. With a Saturday morming busy routine you don't have the luxury of spending a lot of time with one knife. Spend your learning time mastering the basic machine and knife sharpening.

If a knife needs more than sharpening, suggest that the customer pick it up next week or decline the work.

I would start out with the Tormek knife jigs and standard technique. You can always get fancy later if you want to. Many of us have developed our technique, which we will be more than glad to share, however, I highly recommend you begin with standard Tormek doctrine.

I recommend that you return the turning kit. You need to focus your spending on what you are actually using. It seems odd to me that your dealer did not have the handtool jigs.

Practice.......

Ken
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 11, 2018, 07:56:26 pm
I think you have a good chance at success, if you stay focused and simple. Stick with basic knife sharpening. With a Saturday morming busy routine you don't have the luxury of spending a lot of time with one knife. Spend your learning time mastering the basic machine and knife sharpening.

If a knife needs more than sharpening, suggest that the customer pick it up next week or decline the work.

I would start out with the Tormek knife jigs and standard technique. You can always get fancy later if you want to. Many of us have developed our technique, which we will be more than glad to share, however, I highly recommend you begin with standard Tormek doctrine.

I recommend that you return the turning kit. You need to focus your spending on what you are actually using. It seems odd to me that your dealer did not have the handtool jigs.

Practice.......

Ken

Indeed.  Basics first.
I fully intend to return the turning kit.  The thing with that is that it came as part of the packaged deal
The hand tool kit and the wood turning kit both came with the package.

The original package I was looking at just had the hand tool kit.  And that's really all I think I'll ever use. But again, when I finally decided to pull the trigger and place the order, that packaged deal was sold out.  So I had to step up to the wood turning package to get the hand tool kit.

Either way, I've got the basic gear that I'll need to get started.

My wife wants to be involved which is good.  She'll receive everything and make the calls to everyone when each job is complete.  My only task while at the market is sharpening. Of course, I get to set everything up and break it down. But during the market hours, it'll be me, in my zone. Doing what I do.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 12, 2018, 12:12:45 am
It arrive and it's beautiful.  Sweet looking machine.  I powered it on just to hear how much noise it makes.  Nice a quite.  After dinner, I'll start putting it together, oiling the leather and see what damage I can do to my cheap chisels.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Grizz on April 12, 2018, 05:07:29 pm
I am sure you will enjoy your machine as much as I do mine ! it is really a small learning curve to operate. just remember to use light pressure on the LOC (line of contact) of the blade and the wheel. you will be amazed at the level of sharpness the T-8 will produce. Good luck with your new business !
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 12, 2018, 06:40:15 pm
I am sure you will enjoy your machine as much as I do mine ! it is really a small learning curve to operate. just remember to use light pressure on the LOC (line of contact) of the blade and the wheel. you will be amazed at the level of sharpness the T-8 will produce. Good luck with your new business !

So far, so good.  I contribute the success I've had already to watching all the videos and reading the reviews. I had an abundance of time to kill while waiting for it to arrive.

Once I had it out and on my bench, I felt as if I'd already done this before. 

I appreciate the speed/turn around it offers. Doing it by hand on stones certainly gets the job done but it can take time if the edges are neglected or abused. I've yet to put a knife on the T8.  Still going through all of my (my father-in-laws) old rusty chisels. Just trying to find my rhythm and get into a sharpening groove.

I've no doubt that the T8 will produce an impressive edge.  Looking forward to comparing it to my freehand sharpening.  It should be fun regardless. It'll most certainly be faster than freehand.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: SharpenADullWitt on April 13, 2018, 06:02:54 am
One reason for the thrift store recommendation is to learn/practice Steve's by hand technique.
One other thing that I think would be a good item to have is a ceramic hone.  I was asked to sharpen some knives by my friends restaurant recently.  I took them home, cleaned them and ran them over the leather wheel then the hone.  That was all they needed and my friend found out the hard way, how sharp they were. (cut himself without noticing)

Now I bought them the T4 and for their uses, they are excited at how easy it is and it saves me some time. (and I get to play with it)
Enjoy your time with the new toy.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 13, 2018, 01:25:07 pm
One reason for the thrift store recommendation is to learn/practice Steve's by hand technique.
One other thing that I think would be a good item to have is a ceramic hone.  I was asked to sharpen some knives by my friends restaurant recently.  I took them home, cleaned them and ran them over the leather wheel then the hone.  That was all they needed and my friend found out the hard way, how sharp they were. (cut himself without noticing)

Now I bought them the T4 and for their uses, they are excited at how easy it is and it saves me some time. (and I get to play with it)
Enjoy your time with the new toy.

I'll hitting up the thrift store and Goodwill this evening. I need some more things to practice with.  I'll be bringing my other sharpening systems with me to the market. Yesterday I did about 6 more chisels. Those are a cakewalk. Just need to be sure everything is squared up.

I then grabbed every pair of scissors in the house.  I started with the really cheap (the Bic lighters of scissors) just in case that went sideways.
Turns out, the scissors were even easier than the chisels.

I then moved on to my axes.  I had one that looked as if it were used to break up concrete. It was all messed up.
Those came out beautiful as well. I'm rather sure they've never had a edge like this before.

Then...I tried some small disposable knifes....And here is when and where I learned that the Tormek can chew up a knife if everything is not setup correctly.
The first and cheapest of the knives was a 4 inch folding pocket knife. Manufacture unknown. I suspect that they may have been too embarrassed to put their name on it. It's now about 1/4 of the knife it once was.   ::)

The next 4 pocket knifes I did turned out beautiful. I'm going to clean them up and put them out for sale at the market.
This afternoon, I'll have a go at some fixed blade knifes.  We'll see how that goes.

My goal is to become familiar enough with sharpening most everything that someone might bring me at the Farmers Market, that I'm not constantly referring back to my manual.

After jacking up that first knife, I'll have to be triple sure that everything is set up correctly each and every time. That was a lesson well learned.

The another issue I ran into yesterday was a  horrible howling sound that started happening within a few minutes of starting the machine.
After isolating the location, I applied some wheel bearing grease to the stone/honing wheel shaft and it was quite once again.  Not sure why that happened. At that point it had only been in used, since taking it out of the box, for maybe an hour. The manual mentioned having to grease the shaft once in a while.  I was not expecting to have to do it so soon. Oh well....I'll add some axle shaft lube to my list of things to take with me to the market.  That would have made me NUTS if I had to live with that for 4 hours at the market. These are the sort of things that I need to learn about and be prepared for.

I'm looking forward to seeing what I can find at the thrift store and Goodwill this afternoon.  So far, the Tormek has been a pleasure to use. It appears to be very well thought out, designed and engineered. EVERYTHING works as designed. There have been a few little quirks here and there but nothing surprising and certainly not show stopping.

I suspect that I'm going to run out of items to practice on well before the weekend is over.   8)

Thanks for the tips and suggestions, please keep them coming.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: cbwx34 on April 13, 2018, 03:20:25 pm
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Then...I tried some small disposable knifes....And here is when and where I learned that the Tormek can chew up a knife if everything is not setup correctly.
The first and cheapest of the knives was a 4 inch folding pocket knife. Manufacture unknown. I suspect that they may have been too embarrassed to put their name on it.It's now about 1/4 if of the knife it once was.   ::)

The next 4 pocket knifes I did turned out beautiful. I'm going to clean them up and put them out for sale at the market.
This afternoon, I have a go at some fixed blade knifes.  We'll see how that goes.
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I would be interested in the setup issue you had with the knife (especially since nothing else has caused any issues)... and what you did to solve it?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 13, 2018, 03:30:37 pm

I would be interested in the setup issue you had with the knife (especially since nothing else has caused any issues)... and what you did to solve it?

Thanks.

My nature is to experiment and try "out of the box" things.  I was dorking with the small tool jig that mounts into the regular knife jig. Obviously that was the wrong set up.  When I used the just the regular knife jig, everything worked as designed and expected.

The reason that knife got all jacked up is completely my doing. Using the wrong combination of jigs.

The more I use the Tormek the more I realize that not only is the tool it's self well thought out, so are the instructions.  Follow the instructions and things work just like you'd want them to.  Stray outside the lines and things can go wrong in a hurry.

Right now, if I had to go to the market tomorrow morning, I think I'd be okay.  I'm still looking forward to more time with the Tormek as well as learning more about sharpening and sharpening as a business.

So far, so good.   :)
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: cbwx34 on April 13, 2018, 03:55:19 pm
My nature is to experiment and try "out of the box" things.  I was dorking with the small tool jig that mounts into the regular knife jig. Obviously that was the wrong set up.  When I used the just the regular knife jig, everything worked as designed and expected.

The reason that knife got all jacked up is completely my doing. Using the wrong combination of jigs.

The more I use the Tormek the more I realize that not only is the tool it's self well thought out, so are the instructions.  Follow the instructions and things work just like you'd want them to.  Stray outside the lines and things can go wrong in a hurry.

Right now, if I had to go to the market tomorrow morning, I think I'd be okay.  I'm still looking forward to more time with the Tormek as well as learning more about sharpening and sharpening as a business.

So far, so good.   :)

Ah.  I do that to.  I assume you mean the "Small Knife Holder"?  If so, should be able to get it to work... but does take a bit of practice to learn the setup.

Thanks for the info.  :)
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: SharpenADullWitt on April 13, 2018, 04:01:49 pm
I would be interested in seeing axes done.  I have had success with hatchets, but not with axes and those two to three foot handles.

I use superlube and there should be an initial greasing of the shaft as well as oil the leather wheel before the first use.  This is where the older Jeff Farris video's shined, as he originally included a bit of oil and grease years ago, with his units as a setup kit.  I haven't seen the current T8 setup video, so I don't know what they include.
As a home user, I have to grease mine once a year.  Maybe Steve will chime in with how often he had to grease his portable units.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 13, 2018, 04:36:22 pm
Ah.  I do that to.  I assume you mean the "Small Knife Holder"?  If so, should be able to get it to work... but does take a bit of practice to learn the setup.

Thanks for the info.  :)

Yeah, that's the one.  The small knife jig.


It really wasn't the right jig for the task.  Just experimenting to see what I could/could not do.  Now I know. 
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 13, 2018, 04:45:36 pm
I would be interested in seeing axes done.  I have had success with hatchets, but not with axes and those two to three foot handles.

I use superlube and there should be an initial greasing of the shaft as well as oil the leather wheel before the first use.  This is where the older Jeff Farris video's shined, as he originally included a bit of oil and grease years ago, with his units as a setup kit.  I haven't seen the current T8 setup video, so I don't know what they include.
As a home user, I have to grease mine once a year.  Maybe Steve will chime in with how often he had to grease his portable units.

I have the axe jig.  I tried using it.  Not real comfortable with it. It felt like I was restricted as to how I could move the axe around on the stone.  Hours later I placed the tool rest onto the tool support arm. I then wondered if that would work for the axe.

Much to my pleasure, the tool rest worked perfectly for me.  I set my grind angle. Placed the axe on the rest.  Held the axe head with one hand and the handle with the other.  Super easy and it allow me to pivot the axe head without feeling bound up like I did with the axe jig.

In reference to the longer handles of axes, I removed the leather wheel. It was getting in the way.  Once it was removed, I had all the space I needed.

Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: cbwx34 on April 13, 2018, 04:55:13 pm
I have the axe jig.  I tried using it.  Not real comfortable with it. It felt like I was restricted as to how I could move the axe around on the stone.  Hours later I placed the tool rest onto the tool support arm. I then wondered if that would work for the axe.

Much to my pleasure, the tool rest worked perfectly for me.  I set my grind angle. Placed the axe on the rest.  Held the axe head with one hand and the handle with the other.  Super easy and it allow me to pivot the axe head without feeling bound up like I did with the axe jig.

In reference to the longer handles of axes, I removed the leather wheel. It was getting in the way.  Once it was removed, I had all the space I needed.

If you like using the tool rest, you might take a look at Herman Trivilino's "Homemade Knife Rest" (https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=1592.msg6634#msg6634) thread.
Title: Re: New to Tormek but not new to sharpening
Post by: Y-Not on April 13, 2018, 05:03:53 pm
If you like using the tool rest, you might take a look at Herman Trivilino's "Homemade Knife Rest" (https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=1592.msg6634#msg6634) thread.

Yeah man!  I'll think about that. The idea looks simple enough. 

Thanks!