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Knife Sharpening / Re: Another idea for pivoting the knife jigs
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:27:07 pm »
I would say a combined effort.   ::)

Dutchman came up with this, and Ken gives him credit in his work, but as kenlip pointed out, Ken most likely "standardized" the 139mm in his Kenjig work... a measurement that worked with most of his knives.

(Or maybe this is "beyond my ken").   :D

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I've only just found this thread, and really like the Visual Angle Calculator. It's very easy to see where to input any changes. I compared it to the numbers spreadsheet that I put together (based on Dutchman's work) and it agrees well. Thank you cbwx.

Thanks... glad you found it useful!  :)

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Knife Sharpening / Re: Schleifen von Klauenmessern
« on: November 25, 2021, 12:14:04 am »
Just saw this...
Actually it can be a claw shaped knife like a karambit, but also has the meaning of "hoof knife".

In German also the hoofs of all artiodactyles are also called 'Klauen' (claws).
Thus a Klauenmesser can also be the type of knife you use for the pedicure of cattle, sheep or goats.
[/teacher mode off] ;)
Mike

Well, Google is never wrong,  ::)  so sounds like they'll need to start using a Karambit for the job.   ;D  ;D

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Knife Sharpening / Re: Schleifen von Klauenmessern
« on: November 24, 2021, 07:15:33 pm »
At the risk of sounding ignorant, what are Klauenmessern?

Ken


Google translate of the first post gave me this:

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Hat jemand Erfahrung mit dem Schleifen von Klauenmessern auf der T8? Mit oder ohne Führung?

Does anyone have any experience sharpening claw knives on the T8? With or without a guide?

Google then showed a "claw knife" as essentially a karambit.

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Knife Sharpening / Re: Schleifen von Klauenmessern
« on: November 24, 2021, 04:35:46 pm »
It seems to me that it is akin to trying and play the violin with boxing gloves. Can it be done ? Sure. It's going to be tough as it is not the intended purpose of boxing gloves.

If you're a very skilled violin player the end result might be acceptable, but you'll do better with an instrument that is intended for this purpose. Ceramic rods, small flexible grinding belts, narrow stones on WE/EP/HS/... jigs... all are intrisically more suited to the task than such a large wheel, stock jigs, honing wheels, etc.

I can't agree with this... while sharpening this type of knife may take more skill, it's certainly doable, and the Tormek is up to the task.  An example is here...

https://youtu.be/7eCDSZ2PHU0?t=2765

...probably the biggest thing to learn is to round the edge of a stone a bit, and learn how to sharpen there, and hone on the edge of the wheel.

Most of the other methods you mentioned require the same "learning beyond the basics" and/or modification to make them work.  And some, ceramic rods for example, do little more than maintain sharpness.  The Tormek can be quicker and more accurate in some cases.

No reason not to do them on a Tormek... just may take a bit more time/skill to learn how, but it's not beyond its "intended purpose".

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Knife Sharpening / Re: Schleifen von Klauenmessern
« on: November 22, 2021, 08:19:13 pm »
Hat jemand Erfahrung mit dem Schleifen von Klauenmessern auf der T8? Mit oder ohne Führung?

Try this thread...

https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=3093.0

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I added a link to freejack's calculator in the first post... it works on both iOS and Android, can be installed and run as an app, and gives answers for both measuring to the machine, and measuring directly to the wheel.  (Should have done this sooner). :)


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General Tormek Questions / Re: Unconsistent results using T8
« on: November 21, 2021, 07:33:30 pm »
I'm sure others will have input on the sharpening part, (I'm not a chisel sharpener), but my comment is on truing the wheel.

The goal is not to make "The surface is exactly perpendicular to the outer edge of the stone", but it's to make the surface parallel to the Universal Support.  So how you set the support bar to true the wheel, you need to duplicate this when you set up to sharpen the chisel.

Not sure if it'll change the results you're getting, but something to look at.

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General Tormek Questions / Re: WM 200 Angle Master
« on: November 18, 2021, 02:46:07 pm »
To answer your question, yes the bottom line is the one you use, and if you set it on the side of the blade, it's the degrees per side (dps).

There could be several reasons it's taking a lot to reprofile.  (The obvious is the original angle is high, many higher than what they're advertised at).  And if it's a thicker knife, or was originally sharpened at a higher angle than thought, the bevel can end up wider than expected.

As tgbto stated, if the knife has a taper from spine to edge, this will lower the sharpening angle, unless compensated for.  I describe it more in this thread... What angle is this knife sharpened at?

Finally, as micha stated, consider using a calculator, although it doesn't just have to be if you want a "precise angle" (although it does that), but just a better way to set the angle on knives.

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Knife Sharpening / Re: KnifeGrinders Formula Question...
« on: November 17, 2021, 03:20:52 pm »
By "measuring to the wheel", what do you mean?  The KG app does not have a variable for that.  What formula are you guys using?
Maybe you missed the background as explained in the link in my signature.  ;)

Good point.

Maybe a good place to add Rick's guide for measuring to the wheel (especially while learning)...



https://www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=4551.msg32530#msg32530

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Knife Sharpening / Re: KnifeGrinders Fprmula Question...
« on: November 16, 2021, 04:34:12 pm »
By "measuring to the wheel", what do you mean?  The KG app does not have a variable for that.  What formula are you guys using?

https://connect.calcapp.net/?app=qq0pg0#/

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General Tormek Questions / Re: Rotating Base Problem
« on: November 16, 2021, 03:24:52 pm »
I recently bought the rotating base. With the standard T7 wheel, it worked well. When I installed the fine diamond wheel, I found that it would not rotate. I think the diamond weighs more. I lubed it and very slightly loosened the nut to free that up. Still won't turn. Any ideas out there. Thank you for letting me join you and for any efforts to diagnose.

My only thought (more of a guess).. loosening the nut might make it worse, allowing the outer edges to rub more?

Other than that, you'll probably need to email Tormek support... not sure this has come up here in the forum before.

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Knife Sharpening / Re: KnifeGrinders Fprmula Question...
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:21:57 pm »
I 100% agree with Ken and cbwx. I haven't figured out yet why people keep measuring to the housing when it's so much easier to measure to the wheel. A basic set of calipers will do the trick well within reasonable tolerances. Plus you can check your wheel at different points to see if you have a significant change in distances, and therefore need truing.

It's convenient, it removes a few error sources, does not depend on how your machine compares to the one belonging to the calculator designer, does not require to find a spot on the housing in between sleeves and knobs and the like ... What's not to like ;)

Don't get me started....   ;D

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Knife Sharpening / Re: KnifeGrinders Fprmula Question...
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:14:18 pm »
CB,

My oldest Tormek is a T7, so I am guessing about the Supergrind 2005. Tormek used at least two housings in that general time period, one with a vertical front, and one with a slant front.


Yeah, I remembered this after I posted.  Problem is, they're all marked "Supergrind 2000", from what I can tell.  :(

Thanks for the link.  I should also say that I have a Goniometer that gives a good ballpark and it seems to agree with my findings.  KG says their app doesn't work for Supergrind 2005.

I would be interested, since you have a Goniometer, if measuring directly to the wheel improves your results between the two sharpeners, if you're willing to give it a shot.

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Knife Sharpening / Re: KnifeGrinders Fprmula Question...
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:01:15 am »
Thanks for the link.  I should also say that I have a Goniometer that gives a good ballpark and it seems to agree with my findings.  KG says their app doesn't work for Supergrind 2005.

Well, if that's the case, measure directly to the wheel and it'll work, although I'm not sure what the difference is between a 2000 and 2005.  (Ken?)

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