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Compatibility Old T-2 vs. "New" T-2
« on: June 24, 2022, 12:19:05 am »
Both pics are from the Tormek website...



Did the wheel change?  (And is it diamond coated on the side?)

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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2022, 05:39:15 pm »
CB,

I have emailed this topic to support and will post their reply when it arrives.

My observations: The original DWF-200 diamond grinding wheel for the T2 was the first diamond wheel introduced by Tormek. It was quickly followed by the DWC-200 wheel for heavier grinding. Tormek specifically marketed these only for the T2. The T2 is specifically designed to only be used dry and is marketed primarily for restaurant use by the Culinary Division of Tormek. The intended distribution network was restaurant supply venders.

Some T4 users, like me, quickly realized that these diamond wheels also worked very well with the T4, especially the more coarse DWC-200. We started clamoring for a series of diamond wheels which, like the DW-250 series for the larger models, could be used in the preferred Tormek wet mode.The new diamond wheels also have diamonds on the side.
Although not part of the original marketing parameters, the new side grit wheels allow the user to correct overground hollow spots on the blade curvature. In the latest online class (Q&A with the Sharpening Doctor), Wolfgang demonstrates thinning the bolster. Although not included in the instructions, I have successfully done this with my T2.

Tormek is commendable for carrying spare parts for older models. However, Tormek does not carry parts for older components when the improved version also works with older machines. When the EZYlock shafts were introduced, the previous straight shafts, stainless and regular steel were no longer available. I suspect that the original DWS series wheels will no longer be produced as the improved DW series wheels are available.

These thoughts are just my opinions.

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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2022, 05:58:42 pm »
Thanks.  I guess I should have added, what wheel does it now come with?  I thought it kind of weird that there was a mixture of pictures... and if I was buying one, unless there's a price difference, I would probably want to seek out the better wheel.

I know some places now sell the "New Edition", but it only shows the change to the guide.

Edit:  It might also be confusing if it's the new diamond wheel, since it comes with ACC, and recommended to be used with water, but the T-2 is used dry...  ???
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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2022, 12:58:34 pm »
CB,

I am not surprised to see the changes in the T2. When my first T7 (purchased in 2009) was stolen during a burglary in 2011, I purchased a replacement. My original T7 came with the straight stainless steel shaft; rocker switch; and standard water tray. The 2011 version came with the EZYlock; safety switch; and Advanced Water Trough. Tormek ships new units with the latest innovations.

Within half an hour of when my T2 arrived, I mounted the DWF-200 grinding wheel and rubber honing wheel on my T4. Soon after, my DWC-200 coarse diamond wheel also ended up on my T4. In the computer world these would have been called "hacks".

My DWF is back on my T2. The DWC has been liberating. It really turbo charges the T2 and T4. The DW series wheels perform their designed function very well, waterless sharpening with the T2. If Tormek should decide to switch to the DF-200 for the T2, I can't imagine them including ACC in the package. Their design philosophy for the T2 is dry sharpening with the T2 always "at the ready".

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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2022, 11:15:36 pm »
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My DWF is back on my T2. The DWC has been liberating. It really turbo charges the T2 and T4. The DW series wheels perform their designed function very well, waterless sharpening with the T2. If Tormek should decide to switch to the DF-200 for the T2, I can't imagine them including ACC in the package. Their design philosophy for the T2 is dry sharpening with the T2 always "at the ready".

Ken

Right now there are wheels for the T-2 (DWC & DWF), and the wheels for the T-4 (DC, DF, DE).

My question is from this T-2 for sale...



...which has a different style wheel... it's marked DWF (so T-2), but looks different than the original T-2 wheel.  Also can't tell if it has diamond on the side... kinda looks like it does not.  So maybe it's just a redesigned T-2 wheel.


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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2022, 02:38:49 pm »
Hi,
The diamond wheels for the Tormek T-2 do not have any diamonds on the side of the wheel.
This new design came earlier this year and is similar to the wheels we offer to the T-3/T-4 machines in its design, except those have diamonds on the side of the wheel.
Since the T-2 is strictly for chef's knives, there is no need for the side to be coated with diamonds.

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Re: Did the diamond wheel on the T-2 change?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 03:28:58 pm »
Hi,
The diamond wheels for the Tormek T-2 do not have any diamonds on the side of the wheel.
This new design came earlier this year and is similar to the wheels we offer to the T-3/T-4 machines in its design, except those have diamonds on the side of the wheel.
Since the T-2 is strictly for chef's knives, there is no need for the side to be coated with diamonds.

Best,
Stig

Thanks.

New question, what is the difference in knife size capabilities between the old and new Guide on the T-2?

Edit:  I may have found the answer...

Old:  You can sharpen knives which are 14-60 mm (9/16"-2 3/8") wide with a thickness of maximum 3.5 mm (1/8").  (From the T-2 specs... they've never been changed when the new Guide came out).

New?:  The patented guide can handle knives with blades 12–60 millimeters (0.5–2.4 inches) high and up to 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) thick, with unlimited length.  (Got this from the T-1 page, not sure if it's the same?).
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Re: Compatibility Old T-2 vs. "New" T-2
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 09:49:10 pm »
I've changed the title of the thread, 'cause I have another question about compatibility... the old vs. the new Guide.

I received this picture...



... and noticed the bottom black plastic piece was different.  Then I found this picture on the internet...



... and noticed the new bar sticking out.

So, is the new Guide compatible with the older T-2?  ???
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Re: Compatibility Old T-2 vs. "New" T-2
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 06:26:54 pm »
I got some info from a Tormek dealer, that indicates it's not compatible/upgradeable (at least not out of the box)...

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They changed the part which holds the jig, but the part is not available, so one would have to somehow rig using the new jig on older T-2s, i.e. figure out how to set the correct angle without having the new holder.
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Re: Compatibility Old T-2 vs. "New" T-2
« Reply #9 on: Today at 02:18:41 pm »
The answer I got from Tormek support, (if I could use the new guide on an original T-2)...

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Yes ,but you need to use the old pointer.
It will feel a bit tight ,but if you just sand the pointers hole inside slightly it will work perfect.
Or you leave it and let it get better with time.
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